Come of Vikes - please LOSE... Time to think about the Draft..

[Dan Wood]

Now that I want the Vikes to lose they will most likely win, but we have an outside chance to get the #1 pick. Not a very good chance, but the only way is for us to lose out. If we lose out and Indy can beat Jacksonville (Jacksonville stinks so potentially they could win if the coaches don't hold them back to lock the #1 draft spot).

Andrew Luck will be in really high demand if we were to get #1. #2 wouldn't be horrible either as RGIII will be in high demand as well for a QB starved league.

If Andrew Luck really is the next Peyton Manning you would almost have to take him, but they say he will be worth 3 future 1st round picks and 2 second round picks. Potentially 4 first round picks and a 2 seconds. That would be really tough to pass up. RGIII I'd think could be worth half of that maybe.

If you passed on Luck and he turns out to be the next Peyton Manning that would be a huge mistake. We have so many holes in our team though I'd be shocked if we don't trade down regardless on whether we finish with the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick.

Go Redskins!

[Lance Bainville]

Make is close til the fourth quarter and then let the game slip away. If Frazier wins he should be fired

[Dan Wood]

I have a bad feeling about this one, it's going to be tough to lose the way the Skins are looking.. man they look bad and giving us a lot of yards on dumb penalties. I hope management made it clear to Frazier that they need to lose out..

[Haywood]

hahahahahaha!!! Blowing the first round draft pick and possibly ending AP's career, all in one game. At least Webb looked promising.

[AllenW]

Packers are playing tomm right?

You sure the vikes aren't really one of those reality shows full of morons, like Gold Rush or whatever???
Missed the game because of work but they won??? what is wrong with them??

Merry X-mas all

Al

[Dan Wood]

Blowing AP's knee isn't funny.. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, that sure is a bad way to spend Christmas. Knowing AP, he'll be fine. He is a as tough and determined as anyone in the entire league.

The Vikings always find a way to screw things up, this was no different and I'm not surprised one bit. Longwell looked like he was about the only one trying to give the game away. He also is one of the few that has enough job security to do so. The Vikings will be cleaning house after this season, so I can see why guys feel like they are playing for their jobs. I would of really loved the 1st or 2nd pick but St. Louis isn't dumb enough to win next week even if they were somehow capable of winning which I don't think they are. That puts us down to the 3rd pick at best, when we beat Chicago next week we could very well drop lower. Not sure who has the edge on strength of schedule, but Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Jacksonville are all at 4 wins. Who cares at this point if we are 3rd or 6th. 1st or 2nd for a chance to pick or trade down Luck or RGIII would have been great. 3rd not so much. I had a really bad feeling when Webb came in that he was going to make things happen. The guy is a playmaker and he also wants to prove he can be a 1st string QB. I'm not sure if he has what it takes to last in the league but right now he definitely gives us the best chance to win. Super talented guys like Vick have done pretty well in the league and now Newton is doing pretty well. Webb is very similar, a super talented athlete that has an arm. Staying healthy and being smart enough to read defenses would be my only concerns with him. I have no idea if he is smart or stupid, I've only heard him talk a couple of times. Didn't strike me as being real intelligent, but I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to understand football either. Some guys can understand and read defenses that aren't super intelligent, but it would make me feel better if we could exchange his body and attitude with Ponder's brain.

Frazier didn't want a QB controversy, but he just got one. He will definitely have pressure now to keep Webb in. Webb played well both of the times he was able to come in and turned both games around. Webb seems like a winner, he has the determination or whatever it is to make things happen. He is a very good athlete, they were saying he was probably the best athlete on the team. They need to get him in somewhere, if they don't want him at QB for some reason they need to make a da$$ decision and get him in as a full time WR. This wishy washy crap of putting him in for one play every now and then giving him an obvious play to run is really pissing me off. He shouldn't be on the bench when the offense is on the field, ever.

[Hog EyEs]

Any word on the severity of AP's knee? I have no idea why he wasn't shutdown for the year. Stupid move on the vikings... even with AP pushing to play.

[Haywood]

I wasn't laughing at AP's injury, I was laughing at the Vikings ability to eff up everything.

Torn ACL
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._injury_122411

[MikeDebner]

That is a very bad injury for a hard power runner. My question is why is AP playing when you are 2-12 and he was just hurt anyway. That doesn't make sense to me. I know that they said that he wanted to play but as a coach those are the decisions you get paid to make. Put him on the bench and not risk it when you have nothing to play for. They should have been using backup RB to get a look at them.

[Dan Wood]

Stats probably had something to do with him playing, he didn't want to have a year under 1000. He is a football player and I can see why he wanted to play. The organization should of been playing all 3rd stringers and lost that game. Now we are picking 3rd at best and I'm betting we beat Chicago with Webb in. I heard AP needed 1000 yards or something to hit his bonus although I'm not sure if that is true.

A torn ACL is the worst possible injury, not good for his style of cutting and power. I would guess he will come back later in the season next year I'm sure based on his determination, but unfortunately it's very doubtful he'll ever be the same dominant running back with that injury. This is really sad because he was on track to go down as one of the best RB's ever I believe. He may still comeback and do it, I wouldn't put anything past him. He is a freak of nature and as determined as anyone. I don't care who he plays for, it is horrible to see something like this to such a talented player. Here is to a great recovery AP.

[Dan Wood]

Because the Vikings organization always seems to make poor decisions. Why we won that game I will never understand, let alone why we didn't have 3rd stringers in to make sure we didn't win and didn't risk injuries on our starts. Frazier said after the win that he can now go and have a great Christmas. What a numbnuts, your star player who the whole team is built around may never be the same and he is happy we got a win. We are 3 - 12 instead of 2 - 13, yippee! I don't see the point in winning that game when there are 2 stud QB's coming out of the draft and many feel this is one of the best draft classes in a long time. Could of potentially got the 1st pick if we would of lost out and Indy wins over Jacksonville (Indy very well could beat Jacksonville since they are horrible). I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams end up with that #1 pick and get a ton of great future picks when they trade down. At #2 you would have teams interested in coming up and grabbing RGIII. Or we could of used one of those picks to grab Luck or RGIII. Are we really that certain that Ponder is the future? I like the kid but if I had a chance at the next Manning I'd be all over it. Or trade down as much hype as there is over Luck. Even worse, we are going to beat the Bears next week and may lose out on a shot at Kalil or Claiborne. I'd be willing to bet we win again next week with Webb. Chicago won't have anything to play for after Green Bay destroys them tonight.

My question is why is AP playing when you are 2-12 and he was just hurt anyway. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Ranger55]

Never a good sign when Barkley decides to go back to USC for another year then risk getting drafted by the Vikings.

[ironmike]

vikings fans never cease to amaze me. all season long they bitch and complain that the team isn't trying and guys are quitting. then you get a game where you get max effort and everybody bitches. boo hoo so you don't get luck. its going to take alot more than luck to turn this ship around. as far as webb goes there was a reason he wasn't starting all year. let teams get a few games of film on him and he will look ordinary just like what happened with ponder. after the pack game everybody was on his nuts as the future. 4 games later and everybody is calling him a bust. settle down and let things play out. it will probably be the same when they get a new stadium. all these years everybody saying just get a stadium dont matter where. now that they will get one peolpe will bitch about where it is.

[Dan Wood]

I'd have to disagree that it will take a lot more than Luck to turn things around. Look at Peyton Manning, superbowl contenders when he is playing and 0-12 when he is out. The real turn around would of been to trade that pick for 3 first round and two 2nd round future picks (or 4 first rounders as some believe).

I've never said a negative thing about Ponder, I still think he has a very good chance at becoming a solid QB. But when you are talking about Luck you are talking about possibly the best QB to come out of the draft since Peyton Manning. Don't tell me Peyton doesn't make that team what it is. This year speaks for itself. It isn't like the Vikes don't have talent. We made the NFC championship 2 yrs. ago after all. As for Webb, I stand by what I have said. Webb gives us the best chance to win TODAY. I don't think there is much question about it. Ponder needs more development. This doesn't mean Webb is the QB of the future, but he deserves as much of a chance as Ponder. They both are young QB's and both deserve a shot. When you are out of the playoffs you may as well give both guys a chance to show what they can do.

As for anyone on here saying players are laying down and quitting?? I must of missed all that, I haven't seen or heard anyone complaining about it. It wasn't for a lack of effort this year. The last few games were completely meaningless though, the fact is they should of been starting 2nd and 3rd stringers to prepare for next season and evaluate talent. That is a good enough reason alone, when you combine risking injury to stud players and the draft prospects it seems like a no brainer. We get a higher draft pick if the 2nd and 3rd stringers suck and we lose, if they are good we will know what we have for next year. I know there are a lot of coaches and players jobs on the line, but to me 4-12 isn't any different than 2-14. Both are horrible records and a very poor season. Winning the last 2 games could give some optimism for next year I guess, that is the only positive I see. But when you look at our opponents it doesn't do much for my confidence in the team. So what if we beat a horrible Redskins team and a Bears team without Cutler or Forte? That also could backfire if we lost to a banged up Bears team and are playing our starters to win the game (granted we won't have AP or Ponder).

Who knows, the draft is often a crap shoot. I've seen a lot of can't miss QB's miss quite badly. Watching Luck play I can see his command for the offense and feel like he will be as safe as any I've seen come out of college, but there definitely are no guarantees by risking it all on one player. St. Louis will end up with the 1st or 2nd pick and they will almost surely trade down to a QB hungry league looking for Luck or RGIII. I see those two going 1 and 2. RGIII could fall some because of his size. If St. Louis ends up #1, it's almost a guarantee they will trade down. In that case RGIII could drop some because I really don't see the Colts drafting him. If RGIII moves up in the rankings and is in high demand similar to how Cam Newton moved up in the months leading into the draft, the Colts may be tempted to trade down as well. If the Colts get the 1st pick there is not much doubt that they will go for Luck, which still leaves the option for St.Louis to trade down RGIII. I really don't see either of those two making it down to 3, let alone 4,5, or the 6 spot. We may do okay if we somehow lose to the Bears and get the #3 pick. Kalil or Claiborne would both help fill our biggest needs. If RGIII is still on the board at 3 we may get enough in a trade to make it worthwhile.

Not sure where the stadium comments came from. I surely don't care where the stadium is built and I haven't heard anyone complain about any of the proposed locations. I'm assuming you are a cheesehead based on the comments Bree's is going to tear apart that lousy defense of GB. All I can say is Rogers better be on his game. I'd give GB a chance against New Orleans but only because it will be in GB and Rogers always has the potential to win in a shootout.

vikings fans never cease to amaze me. all season long they bitch and complain that the team isn't trying and guys are quitting. then you get a game where you get max effort and everybody bitches. boo hoo so you don't get luck. its going to take alot more than luck to turn this ship around. as far as webb goes there was a reason he wasn't starting all year. let teams get a few games of film on him and he will look ordinary just like what happened with ponder. after the pack game everybody was on his nuts as the future. 4 games later and everybody is calling him a bust. settle down and let things play out. it will probably be the same when they get a new stadium. all these years everybody saying just get a stadium dont matter where. now that they will get one peolpe will bitch about where it is.

[ironmike]

dan my post was not a shot at you but more a statement on the vikings fanbase in general. if you listen to whine line everyweek after the game or read some of the chat boards you can see my points first hand. and while luck really would've helped the turn around. he does nothing to help a garbage defense. the vikings have the worst secondary in the league bar none. their safties should be on the practice squad. who knows what happens at corner with cook's legal problems. griffins confidence problems and winfields growing injury problems. the linebackers are average at best. greenway is solid but the henderson's are just mud. ej cant cover and erin is still developing. the d'line was a big let down with the exception of Allen. even if you draft luck who the heck is he going to throw to? and is he going to have time to throw the ball? the o line sucks. and now you have depth concerns for at least next year at running back. luck would've helped but he's not the answer. besides who's to say RG III doesn't end up being better. he has world class sprinter speed and a canon arm. but what the vikings really need is to hit on some draft picks after the first round. i'm not talking about find all pro's in every round but players that can provide you with servicable depth behind the starters.

[Dan Wood]

They need to cut their losses with Cook and send him packing. As much as I love Winfield and his massive hits, he is no use to us on the bench. He can never stay healthy. Agree our secondary is very bad, I think the Patriots would give us a run on worst in the league though. To me the o-line is the #1 concern right now with the secondary 2nd. No QB will be able to stay healthy or even do well the way our o-line is. If we don't get a great offer to trade down, Kalil would be the guy I'd be looking hard at. He'll most likely be around at #3, but not much beyond that.

As far as somebody to throw to for our QB, good WR's aren't that tough to find. You can always pick up wideouts in FA or late in the draft if needed. I'd deal with wideouts through FA. Jenkins and Harvin are both pretty good, Rudolph will be a stud TE too. I think WR is the least of our concerns and to me one of the easiest positions to fill. O-line and secondary a close 2nd. Another Jared Allen would be really nice too I've always felt if you can control both sides of the line you will win your fair share of games.